My account at Sphinn was deleted today, and many of you are wondering why. Hopefully this email exchange will answer that. I’ll add clarification as needed.
First, I published a new post over at SEOBullshit.com (Google’s Epic Losing Streak). Then I tweeted about it. Then I tried to submit it to Sphinn, but Sphinn was saying it had already been submitted. I didn’t know who this other person was, or how the hell they submitted my post so quickly, but I was annoyed and I contacted Sphinn through their contact form:
From me to Sphinn
Is there any way to prevent this kind of thing?
I just published an article and tried to submit to to Sphinn, but someone beat me to it:
http://sphinn.com/story/141676/
I have a couple of problems with this.
1. My avatar isn’t shown next to the article’s title.
2. The article’s summary was written by someone else, and it’s…not what I would have chosen.
So my first thought was to change my post’s URL, submit the new one, and destroy the old one…but that’s kind of a dick move, at least as far as this girl is concerned. So my question is…
What can I do to take control of my Sphinn listing?
From Matt McGee to me
Matt McGee, who is a punk-ass bitch, responded with this:
Hey Darren,
There are no rules about who can and can’t submit to Sphinn (or any other social voting site). As soon as you publish something, anyone can post it to Sphinn — so I guess the answer to your question is to submit as soon as you hit the Publish button next time.
Matt
It certainly doesn’t sound like anything out of the ordinary, but if you knew the history between me and McGee, you’d realize there are some subtle tones of mockery and condescension between the lines. It was obvious to me that Matt McGee wasn’t going to be helpful, so I submitted my own story using another URL. Then I tweeted about it and several people sphunn the story. The issue was essentially resolved at this point, assuming that whoever submitted the story the first time didn’t care about petty issues like avatars and summaries. However, Matt McGee decided to triple his bitch points by deleting my submission, sphinns and all.
(BTW…at this point, I took the time to investigate the Sphinn user who submitted my post, and I realized it was a lady whom I’m actually fond of and follow on Twitter. So FYI…she’s awesome and I have no hard feelings towards her whatsoever. And yes…this whole incident probably could have been avoided if I had talked to her about it, but instead I ignored that part and focused on what an annoying bitch Matt McGee is.)
From me to Matt McGee
Then I responded with this:
Who deleted my submission?
From Matt McGee to me
Matt bitchfully responded with this:
You should’ve received an email that says it was deleted because it’s a dupe submission. You can vote on the original here:
http://sphinn.com/story/141676/
From me to Matt McGee
To which I responded with this:
Do you think you’re clever, Matt? Do you think your passive-aggressive bullshit goes unnoticed?
I’m about to kick off a very passionate, very determined smear campaign. I need to know if I’ll be targeting you specifically, or Sphinn in general.
Please advise.
From Matt McGee to me
Then Matt responds with this:
Darren,
I don’t understand the problem. The story is on Sphinn already and you can vote for it now, but you haven’t done so. What am I missing?
…which again sounds like a perfectly normal response, unless you read between the lines…where you’ll discover that it’s really Matt playing dumb and being a bitch again. Plus, to make matters worse, someone from Sphinn told my ex-girlfriend about this entire exchange, presumably with the hope/expectation that she would calm down her psycho ex, and so now I had to explain myself to her…which is always a buzzkill, since she never takes my side.
From me to Matt McGee
So I responded the way any self-respecting psychopath would:
Well, first your developers missed an obvious need for content owners to have the ability to control submissions of their own work. Or maybe they acknowledged the need, but instead opted for the cheaper solution: let the moderators handle it on a case-by-case basis. The point is…I write content to promote ME, just like everyone else does. I wrote the article–I should be able to submit it with MY avatar and MY summary. If you don’t understand why this might be important, let me write the summary for your next submission and I’ll make it clear.
Then after I took the time to contact the Sphinn staff PRIVATELY–per Danny’s request, following my last psychotic episode–you missed the opportunity to take me seriously and basically said “too bad.”
Then I took matters into my own hands and solved the problem myself, by submitting the story under an alias URL. Then I twittered my Sphinn submission’s URL, at which time several people sphunn it. All you had to do…was do NOTHING. Instead, you chose to do things “by the book” and deleted my submission, despite the obvious fact that it was the more-reputable submission of the two…AND despite the fact that it was the only one that had been sphunn several times.
On top of everything, you want to keep condescending me with your smug, passive-aggressive remarks:
- There are no rules about who can and can’t submit to Sphinn (or any other social voting site).
- You should’ve received an email that says it was deleted because it’s a dupe submission. You can vote on the original here:
- The story is on Sphinn already and you can vote for it now, but you haven’t done so.
Why don’t you just call me a retard, Matt McGee?
And finally, you missed a very, VERY important opportunity…and that was the opportunity to NOT get Lisa involved.
So the answer to YOUR question is…
The problem is you went out of your way to piss me off, and now I’m about to go to some seriously-ridiculous extremes to publicly shit all over your name, your reputation, anything you’ve ever published, and every brand you’ve ever been associated with.
Do you understand now?
From Danny Sullivan to me
Matt then crawled under his bed, curled into a fetal position, and began trembling. This is where the situation turned shitty…as Danny Sullivan took it upon himself to butt into the conversation and blindly defend his employee:
Darren, head over to Digg, then find how you can take control of a story someone has submitted from your site to Digg. You can’t. Pick any number of social news sites out there. None of them operate that way.
You absolutely can submit your own story with your own avatar. Nothing prevents you from doing it. It’s simply that in this case, someone else submitted your story before you did. You seem to want the right to rip that submission away from them, so that you could submit it instead.
Well, I can understand that request. I hope you can understand that it’s simply not how social sites have operated. If you were to submit a blog post from Google, would you want Google to have the right to pull the submission away from you.
Frankly, you’re the first person I know of to raise this issue with us. It just doesn’t seem to have been a burning issue with site owners. It’s something we can consider, and I’d welcome you starting a discussion about it in the Sphinn Zone to see what others think.
But before you do that, you need to apologize for your abusive, out of line email to Matt. I’ve read through the entire email thread below. He’s answered your questions politely and matter-of-factly. Your response is to assume he’s got the time to play some absurd passive-aggressive game with you.
He doesn’t. Nor was he. So you can push the reset button with us at Sphinn by apologizing. If you don’t want to do that, we’ll ban your account. You’re free to embark upon whatever smear campaign you want, if that’s going to make you feel better. I’d think you’d have better things to do, especially when no one was attempting to victimize you in any way.
danny
The reason I say things turned shitty is because I personally think Danny’s a nice guy, and I really didn’t want him to get caught in the crossfire between me and that bitch McGee. But much to my disappointment, not only did Danny butt in…he also started demanding apologies and issuing “or else” statements, as if he’s the judge, jury, and execution for all things SEO and I’m required to offer him a sacrifice before I can enter his world.
From me to Danny Sullivan
I was definitely pissed beyond words at this point, but I really didn’t want to direct my anger towards Danny, because I know he means well. So I let off just a wee bit o’ rage:
Danny,
First of all, Sphinn isn’t Digg. Nothing that happens there has anything to do with this. I have no idea why you and Matt would both try the “but everyone else is doing it” excuse, but personally I think it’s pathetic. Besides, do I really seem like the kind of person who makes decisions based on the norm?
Second of all, I never asked you to remove anyone’s submission.Reading the entire email thread doesn’t make you qualified to have an opinion about this in the first place. I don’t expect you to understand or appreciate what was said between the lines, and it’s no surprise that you don’t. Matt’s a big boy; let him dig himself out.
So…in your best judgment…you’ve concluded that the best way to handle this situation is by demanding an apology from me and threatening to ban my account otherwise? Are you serious? Do you also scream at drunk people?
Absolutely, without question, if there’s one thing I’m NOT going to do…it’s apologize to Matt. I’m not even close to being sorry, and I’m not going to pretend otherwise. Furthermore, I’m not going to pretend like I give two shits about my account on Sphinn. Ban it. Delete it. Do whatever you want with it. If you want to rid your site of some of the highest-quality content this industry produces, then that’s your loss. I get nothing from Sphinn, and after what I’ve seen today, I’m embarrassed to have had anything to do with it. Sphinn is just another haven for SEO wannabes and talentless marketers who all want to circle-jerk each other and confirm the stereotype that this industry is bullshit.
Great advice, asking me to email you privately to resolve any future problems, Danny. It’s worked miracles for me. You’re quite the problem solver.
From Danny Sullivan to me
Amazingly, Danny responded YET AGAIN by talking about “what everyone else does.”
Darren, I’ll repeat again, we’ve never had anyone suggest they should seize control over a submission just because they wrote the content that was submitted. You’re the first.
I think you’re the first because Sphinn operates the same way many other social sharing sites operate, where site owners don’t have that type of control. It’s sort of like suggesting that no one should be able to tweet about your stories, or submit your stories to Delicious, or to Digg, or to Reddit, or to Hacker News, or bookmark them in Google Reader … and on and on and on.
Reading the email qualifies me plenty to feel you’ve been way out of line with a member of my staff. And that is indeed how I felt it was best handled.
If Sphinn was a shop, then you had a problem in the shop, someone in the shop has patiently tried to help you, and you’ve effectively started yelling at them and threatening them. That’s simply not acceptable behavior.
We’ll have your account terminated. I’ll also have the seomofo name blocked, as I recall someone who wasn’t you grabbed that ages ago, and we handed it to you when you asked. I’ll also have your site blocked from future submissions to Sphinn, which will prevent anyone from submitting your content, so that you [won't] find yourself facing any further upset.
From me to Danny Sullivan
And that’s when I finally lost it and tried to be as offensive as possible:
Danny…I’m going to tell you something, and I hope you take it to heart.
It is people like you who have destroyed the SEO industry’s reputation. You are not an SEO, you are a marketer–a salesman. You sell people on ideas that you’re not even qualified to talk about, yet you do it anyway…because you value personal success over everything else.
You have the arrogance to ask ME to apologize to Sphinn? Are you out of your goddamn mind? Who the FUCK do you think you are? You’re a nobody. You’re a fucking pretender. Your only skill is your ability to convince other people that you know what the fuck you’re talking about. All you know how to do is regurgitate the ideas of others. You’re a LEECH on the internet and on SEO.
You want to know why I’m the first person who’s ever ____? Because I’m not a sellout like you and your fellow salesmen. You’ve padded yourself with peons who are afraid to call you on your bullshit because they don’t want to draw attention to their own. I don’t have anything to hide. When you run websites that steal my content and fuck me over, I’m going to speak up–without regard for how it might suit your god complex.
So with the utmost sincerity…I’d like to say: go fuck yourself, you poseur.
So there it is. That’s the story behind why my content will never again grace the front page of Sphinn.
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Ironic post? Surely. Surely? I mean, this is under reputation management, so it is a joke right? On how not to manage your reputation? No?
Um…you having a bad day or something? You look totally in the wrong, no offense of course. Matt is a nice guy. Danny has never been nice to me at all, but I see his points.
Hang in there; maybe you will feel better when you wake up.
Yeah, man… you really look like the jerk in this situation. I doubt anyone will take you seriously after this.
It’s a total shame I can’t submit this story to sphinn…
I agree with the others that have posted. You come off FAR worse in this exchange. They have been reasonable and you have been….well… frankly an a**hole.
Nice job at destroying *their* reputation. Not.
Is Sphinn a big circle jerk? – Yes. Absolutely. I don’t go there anymore because of that. I don’t want to read top 5 and 10 lists anymore. I have my RSS reader give me content I think is worth something, Twitter gives me the rest.
Will this post make a difference ?- Only if this post ranks for Matt or Danny’s names. You might catch Matt (If you really try) I don’t think you will make it to Danny’s first page. It still won’t make a difference though.
this looks like the end of your career!
Darren, did you ever submit someone else’s posts on Sphinn?
I really like you, but I wonder what would you say if Matt have deleted some of your submissions because the original authors wanted to submit them by themselves?
This situation has two sides… the side of the poster, and the side of the author.
Because of inability to decide which side to take, social bookmarking guys decided to let the process flow its own way.
Obviously when they handed out the noodles, you didn’t have a cup or a spoon. If I were you, I’d step up into the get a life-line, as soon as possible. Cheers.
Wow… between this post and the picture of you in a tutu – I know who I’m not hiring.
Good luck with clearing this mess up.
This post is brilliant.
Yep same happened to me. Some dick submitted my blog post to Digg. I couldn’t change the title or the description! Apparently I had *no access* to that user’s account! Can you believe it?
Worse still that person was a fan of my blog and had just submitted my post because they were a regular reader!
So I got really mad and offensive at the Digg staff and owners. Sure, their replies *sounded* reasonable but I knew there was a hidden message there…somewhere.
Then I realised that is how *all* social media sites actually worked and shut up.
I call Poe’s Law (or the SEO equivalent of it – maybe we can call it Mofo’s Law?).
LMAO at nick!
Anyone notice this sentence “Do you also scream at drunk people?”? Perhaps he was just drunk?
Mofo, seriously you owe some apologies. I was all excited to meet danny and got slammed like a mofo the first time I met him, but guess what? I didn’t slam him. He is who he is and therefore deserves respect. Maybe he was just having a bad day? Me going online and insulting him would do nothing by hurt me.
My boss has been talking about your posts the last couple of weeks; said you showed some real intelligence. This is a sad way to go out.
FWIW: Matt McGee had nothing to do with me being contacted about what was going on (nor did Danny) so it’s not accurate to paint it as if they did. I received two emails and a couple of DMs that you were upset and I IM’d you privately to see what was going on. You’ve made some friends in this industry so when people see you riled up, they often email me to see if I can help. Which, as you mentioned, I’m very often unable to do. I don’t have any interest in hopping into this, but didn’t like the insinuation that Matt or Danny contacted me to clean up the mess. It’s not fair to put that on them.
OK, i’m not going to wade into this and take sides.
However, underneath all this emotion seems to be a ‘bug’ (if you can call it that) that Darren has stumbled upon. Just because ‘that’s the way all social media sites work’ doesn’t make them right or that things can’t be improved upon.
Could Sphinn et al be modified to create a window whereby the original poster has the ability to submit their own posts e.g. 30 mins? If they haven’t done so within that timeframe, it’s a free for all.
Darren’s situation has highlighted a potential flaw in the way these sites work. It’s just a real shame the message got lost.
Hooray to Mintyman for spotting the wood amongst all those trees.
I don’t know seomofo or matt, nor am I aware of whatever history is between them, but even I could sense the condescending tone in matt’s email responses. Bravo, mofo, for calling out his bullshit.
And to the person who said “He is who he is and therefore deserves respect” – I’m not a moral relativist. I don’t respect people because of their perceived social status or just because they exist. I respect people for what they do. Danny has done a lot of respectful stuff, but in this instance his cop-out responses don’t merit it.
I’ve never meet Danny, talked to him or anything else but it seems like everyone is saying he is a real dick.
I agree with lmao, people get my respect because of the way they treat people not because of their perceived social status.
You owe nobody nothing. Your career is far from over. You spoke your mind how you wanted to speak it. Could you have delivered your message in a lighter tone, absolutely, but then this post would have been bs, since lighter tone is not in your nature as far as I can tell.
There is a time and season for everything, whether your wrong or right, continue to do you brotha, no matter what the masses say or think. Beast!
Not a fan of Danny, but…
[Anonymous insult deleted. Man up, you pussy.]
Meh.
It is definitely irritating when someone screws up my awesomeness by submitting a story of mine with a lame title and/or description, but regardless of what other social media sites do it’s the way it has worked on Sphinn itself since it’s launch several years ago.
You seem to have the misconception that Sphinn is about self promotion. It’s not, and it never has been. Sphinn has a much more tolerant attitude towards self promotion that any other social media site I am aware of… they have to, the entire community is composed of marketers in one form or another. Disallowing self promotion would have killed the site from the start. But it is still not their primary purpose. Sharing stories and ideas that are relevant to marketers interests with each other is still the goal.
It’s fine to call people out on what you perceive to be an injustice, and if you know me then you know that I am not one who is known for sugar coating my opinions. I personally have no issues with the tone of this post. I just think that you were wrong on your actual stance, and no offense, but you do come across as a little whiny on this one, imo.
@Mintyman
OK but having users voluntarily submitting and disseminating your material is usually seen as a plus in social media.
Sure, it’s annoying when you invest hours on a post only to have it submitted by some unknown user with default avatar and literacy skills of a 5yr old *but* I don’t think that would classify as a a ‘bug’.
Saying that, if this really bothers you then I’d suggest knocking together a plugin for WordPress which limits access by referrer to the post. Ideally this access is temporary, with a time-frame you set.
In that time-frame you’re the only one who knows the publication URL and the social sites can access/view your post to verify the submission. Once the time is up the post appears on your blog for all users.
In fact you can probably use one of these two plugins to do this already, you’d just have to hunt down the IPs for the social sites, i.e. Sphinn.com is 64.62.209.23.
User Access Manager
Restricted Site Access
You’d want to look into how these plugins deal with SE bots so you don’t send them away permanently. Possibly add their IPs to the user group but this might be considered cloaking/IP delivery. Safest option would be have them index the page the same time it’s goes public.
Low-tech solution would be to just have the submission page setup on Sphinn/Digg etc. before you publish. You know the future URL so you have an advantage on the most trigger-happy of submitters.
You’re never going to get all the social sites to agree a 30 min submission-delay for content creators. As I wrote before, I seriously doubt most publishers would even want this.
Nick there are actually much better ways to do it
Looks like a topic for a useful blogpost
Darren, you wouldn’t be complaining if Tamar submitted – last time they had stats visible she still had a 100% front page success rate.
I left Sphinn 2 years ago over a moderation call – there is life on the outside
Hey Andy
Always open to learning new solutions from you, I’ll look out for that post. I still think the answer lies with the individual publishers rather than the social sites.
I can’t see them agreeing to this 30-min timeframe and besides, that is fine for 5 sites, not so great for 20.
Maybe there is some mileage in the idea of getting content owners to verify their blogs (simple enough) and then give them the ability to ‘suggest’ changes to the listing but this would obviously impact on the toes of the original submitter.
Still I see Sphinn as a place which works at the edge of the social sphere, after all it gives many marketers their first lessons in social media participation. Maybe it should be trying out new solutions for these issues.
Nick,
I didn’t submit the article to any other social media sites, and it was never about that. The entire thing started out with me asking for help, and Matt shooting me down. You, Danny, and Matt have all made references to “how it is on other sites,” when that’s completely irrelevant to MY problem and Matt’s response to it.
One of the most blatantly-obvious solutions in this case was to contact the original story submitter and ask if it’s okay for Sphinn to delete the original submission and keep my submission. If Sphinn is REALLY about the content, then there shouldn’t be any issues with this, because the story is still there for everyone to read.
So again, this was never about me bucking the system; this was about Matt’s unwillingness to address my concerns…and subsequently, about Matt and Danny both talking down to me.
If you want to carry on with the “how it is on other sites” analogy, then answer me this:
When was the last time the owner/president/whatever of Digg contacted you and said “You need to apologize, young man, or you’re grounded from Digg for the rest of your life!”
You can’t have it both ways. You can’t tell me Sphinn is just another piece of the cold infrastructure of social media, and then turn around and demand a personal apology as a condition of site membership.
If you want to brainstorm solutions to this issue, as it pertains to all social media sites, then that’s great…but unless it makes Matt McGee less worthless or Danny Sullivan less condescending, then your solution won’t address the problems that led to this post.
Andy,
Honestly, the situation wouldn’t have played out any differently, no matter who submitted it. The way I’m looking at it is…imagine the reaction you’d get from a novelist, if you were to tell them that their book’s synopsis on the inside flap would be written by someone else…and that person’s portrait would be on the cover–instead of yours.
It’s just ludicrous, in my opinion.
Yeah….I totally see your point here, SEOmofo. But what I REALLY want to see…is your naked body. Friggin’ sexy genius.
We should start calling seomofo, ‘seoMafioso.’ He’s bringing the streets to the web. Throw it down, nigga!
Phew! At least you had the first tweet of this post according to Tweetmeme:
http://tweetmeme.com/story/584393317/matt-mcgee-is-a-bitch-danny-sullivan-is-a-poseur-and-sphinn-sucks
Would hate to see what you might do to them if someone had beat you to it.
What does Danny mean by he will block your URL from submission? Blow me, he did – what a douche – sorry Danny but that’s a bitch move right there.
What other posts have you blocked in the past – should I expect my account to be banned now that I have called you a name – fuck it, I could care less anymore, what good is your community if you are running it like an eastern bloc country.
I could give a shit if he ban’s your account Darren – your cool and all, but I won’t loose sleep about that (besides between twitter, SEOBS and your blog I see enough of your pissing avatar), but taking my money and telling me what I can and can’t submit is just wrong. What kind of social is that?
I wished he had told me that before I joined and invested anytime or energy on Sphinn.
How many other domain’s can I not submit to Sphinn ?
For the record they apparently recently blocked my blog, Smackdown, as well. I wrote them about it today and they said it was “a bug” and that they fixed it. Weird bug if you ask me. My guess is that what really happened is that Danny got on a roll blocking websites after yours and decided to finally block mine for posting that he needed to grow a pair 2 years ago. :D
Michael, nope. Your site was banned by accident, and is reinstated. Sorry.
Darren, I’d suggest to delete this post, as well as your your insulting tweets. Decide yourself whether your peers and whomever you’ve slammed during your bad trip deserve an apology or not.
Darren,
I’ve burned more bridges over the years with my venom than I care to recall, and having taken the time to step into your shoes long enough to see this from your perspective, I can both understand why you got bent out of shape, and also why you went on the war path.
At the same time however, since none of us know the back story between you and Matt, it’s really impossible for any of us to comprehend where you read anything between the lines.
Let’s assume, however, that there had, truly, been an ongoing conflict. Even if that’s the case, it really comes down to two things.
1. For all it’s flaws, Sphinn offers the search marketing community a way to spread word about articles written within the industry. As much as I’d like to control every single piece of information that shows up related to my effort and business, the fact is that’s both unrealistic and misses the concept of how things can go viral given the right mix of circumstances.
Rather than bitching about someone else’s submission of one of my articles, if I don’t think they did a very good job of it, I immediately post my own comment right there at Sphinn. Is it a perfect solution? Clearly not. Yet it can mitigate things.
It’s then up to me to take other action, and trust that if my article is strong enough, the follow-on sphinns will come. And if not, I need to suck it up and move on.
2. Danny Sullivan has never once responded to any attempts I’ve ever made at engaging him. Either that’s because he’s just swamped with other attempts from throngs of people, or who knows what. I can’t fault him because of that, though it has, at times, annoyed the hell out of me. But then that’s my own ego-reaction.
We all know that Danny is NOT an SEO expert, from a direct experience perspective. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn’t have a clue. He is, however, a journalist who happens to have covered our industry for as long as anyone. At the same time, he’s clearly got his own agenda, like we all do.
Why he banned you from Sphinn is beyond me, other than the fact that he really got twisted over your attack mentality, and then he himself went into reactionary mode. I don’t agree with his doing it at all, yet ultimately, he’s the guy with the finger on the nuke button.
Oh, and as far as all the bullshit about your career being over, whoever says that must think you’ve pinned your career on being popular in our industry, rather than on your extremely superior skills in the work you do.
Alan,
I don’t think Darren is the slightest bit concerned about his career being over.
I really like your comment, Alan. I think it’s a very fair assessment. It’s always refreshing to read your comments, regardless of which side you take, simply because you stay true to yourself with everything you say.
really? damn. next time I’ll toss a coin. Heads, I laugh at your attempt at humor via venomous ranting; tails, I’ll just say that I’m praying for your soul.
:-)
What do you mean you’ll just say you’re praying for my soul? There won’t actually be any praying? ;)
nope. none. Since I already do so every day. because I care.
This is either brilliant linkbait, or the ramblings of someone in need of professional help. Mofo’s feelings of paranoia and persecution are not natural responses in this situation, perhaps drugs or alcohol were involved but if not then there is some unhealthy mental responses being exhibited here. I recommend Prozac ASAP :)
I’m already taking 40mg a day. Plus 2 other medications.
In that case, please do NOT mix with alcohol. No matter how much it’s taking your problems away temporarily, it’s digging a hole and making things worse.
seomofo = WIN
and
Next time take a deep breath and count to 10. <3 you! :)
Crap!!!
I so wanted to Sphinn this story….
Darren I am sure that was better than the £300 it would
have cost you on an analysts couch. Amazing how this has spread, I get a new Twitter follower who posts your shakesperian comedy/tragedy. I firstly want to thank you for educating and entertaing a new comer to this corner of the universe ( I know nothing but what the Jack Daniel’s am I getting into )
As an outsider and a Brit, I have one simple point. US and UK stand for freedom of speech and social media is the greatest manifestation and exponent of this. Anything, person or site, that undermines this principle should perhaps itself be banned. One last thing, any aspirations you may have for the Diplomatic Corp. should be abandoned.
It totally astonishes me you can proudly act in such a way.
What you wrote reeked of paranoia and would make me take anything you ever said again with a sickening dose of salt.
You do indeed have the right to speak your mind but that doesn’t always make it right and it doesn’t shelter you from the consequences.
I hope you get some help.
What consequences?
Hi Darren,
I stumbled on this post from a retweet on your latest post and have to say that I like how you speak straight from the gut. While it was an entertaining read I would remember the old quote about burning bridges:
“The only bad thing about burning your bridges behind you is that the world is round”
Hey, I needed to reply to this. Something glaring stood out to me, and it smells of utter shit.
You’re telling me, that according to Sullivan, “I’ll also have the seomofo name blocked, as I recall someone who wasn’t you grabbed that ages ago, and we handed it to you when you asked.”
So he’ll give you your requested user name on sphinn – even taking it away from somebody else, but not public ownership of your own article – despite having made concessions in the past. That is absolute and utter bull.
I agree, the original responses (from Matt and Sullivan) were condescending and patronizing – and remained so. Stick it to those fucks.
100% behind you buddy and agree with Elie. They would take somebody’s account but not attribute content correctly? Matt and Danny sound like complete pricks.
WTF – I closed my bold tag in the above comment – only the word “account” was supposed to be in bold.
Your closing tag was missing the slash. No worries, I fixed it.
Love your stuff Darren, and it’s hard to gauge exactly what you previous history is with these guys but I think for the first time, I’m not “with you” on this one.
Sometimes when working in support and faced with a request which outright goes against the company policy you have to stick to the company line.
One rule for all, not just for some.
That’s all they did really.
You didn’t get treated any worse or better than anybody else, infact you probably kinda got some lattitude that most wouldn’t have.
Yeah the ownership issue is a bitch, but it’s the same on all those kind of sites.
Loving your work man, but no point filling you with love fest BS , I think you made a mountain out of molehill here and they came out look pretty much like having done not a lot of a fuck wrong really.
My 2 cents..
Mofo I don’t understand why you didn’t simply repost at new URL, sphinn that one, then 301 the old article to the new URL. You had control over this situation – why not use it rather than expect McGee to change the posting rules to suit you?
At first I refrained because it seemed disrespectful to the original submitter:
But I ended up doing it anyway, as a last resort. This resulted in 2 submissions being live on Sphinn. My submission quickly out-paced the original submission (in terms of sphinns and views), and if Matt McGee had left things alone…everyone would have been happy. Danny tried making it sound like the original submitter would have been outraged by the injustice of having her submission trumped by mine, but that simply wasn’t the case. The original submitter wasn’t looking for a “finder’s fee,” despite the hypothetical examples in Danny’s responses.
The fact that Matt McGee went out of his way to delete my submission…THAT’S why I was so pissed. And that’s also the key to understanding the message “between the lines” that I refer to in this post. Matt wasn’t simply doing his job; he was making sure I didn’t get my way, and then [mockingly] citing the rules as his motivation. Most people who read this post insist on explaining to me the rules on Sphinn and other social media content-sharing sites, but that has nothing to do with why I was pissed. I was pissed because Matt McGee was being a dick for the benefit of no one.
I think you are right to be pissed, as it was more like targeting rather then moderating duplicated content.
Darren, I think you’re both hilarious and pretty flippin smart.
In this case, though, I think you screwed yourself. It comes off as way too ‘insider’ – and since no one else knows about the ‘bad blood’ between you and Matt, your comments compared to their responses make you look like a complete tool.
Not that I could afford you, but if I could – this post would keep me from hiring you. Just my worthless 2 cents.
Ah ha! So you CAN afford me!
I dont know who Matt is, or who Danny is, nor who the fuck Lisa is or your history between any of them.
But Id love to know, sounds like it could be fuckin hilarious.
I agree with everyone else, you do seem to come out of it looking like abit of a tosser, but then so does Danny and this Matt toilet (especially this Matt toilet)
After reading this, I for one will never use Sphinn, or Digg or any other of the countless self promo webshites out there.
I never have done, but if it makes you feel better, I’ll tell everyone I dont use them cos they upset Da MoFo.
Wow who is Matt? Customer service rep? or Tech support?
It ain’t new but gosh this is ridiculous. “so I guess the answer to your question is to submit as soon as you hit the Publish button next time.” Ah ha ha, so there’s no rule on who can and can’t publish but there is a rule on duplication? If it’s open and everybody can share, then how come it cannot be submitted by the owner itself? This can even get out of hands later if it concerns copyright.
smug, arrogant, condescending and act like a tyrant. Sphinn =/
All I did was sign up and submit a story. My account was terminated the very next day. Have no idea why. I didn’t do anything that was against their guidelines. I guess they just don’t like me.
Fookin ace top Jerry Springer style link bait!
Read this for ages – Bet this page has such a high wotsit time on GA!!!!
Almost as good as the ‘whoops I confessed’ post by what’shischops on DP!!!!
HAHAHAHA Bring it on!!!!
Ha! I wish I could hire you precisely because of this post! I prefer to work with people who understand how motivating a personal grudge can be.